Van:Stephen
Benton
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Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/08 |
Noting the current posts on Hill Climbs got me thinking about the most
hideous courses I rode when I was racing regularly (85-92).
Rosedale Chimney near Hull, with 600 odd yards of 1 in 3 near the end
was grim, even on 41 x 25, but Woolacombe Hill in Cornwall has to be the
worst. 1200 yards with 800 of it unrelenting 1 in 4. Rode the National
there in the 80's with Darryl Webster winning with an awesome ride.
Anyone else got some favourite nightmares !
Steve (still threatening to race again and do it right this time) Benton
Van:Matt Wenham
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Datum:1999/09/08 |
> Anyone else got some favourite nightmares !
Yeah, Jacob's Ladder in the Dark Peak (although much less of a
nightmare this weekend despite the heat) and Ben Nevis. Climbing the
south end of High Street in the lakes with luggage was also pretty
tricky (could neither push nor carry the bike) as was the (illegal)
ascent of Whernside.
The track from the west end of Rushup Edge to near Hayfield in the Dark
Peak (round Mount Famine) is utterly E-V-I-L in that direction.
Matt...
Van:Paul
Stratford
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/08 |
Has anyone ridden Applecross (Scotland, longest climb in UK)?
I keep hearing about it but no-one says that they've ridden it.
Woolacombe Hill in Cornwall.... where is it (nearest village, town,
landmark - don't say Woolacombe!)?
There are lots of, er, fine hills that can be classed as brutal in Cornwall.
There's one out of Pentewan going east towards Porthpean that, with the
wrong sort of tyres on, if you stop only applying front brake you will still
slide backwards. (I'm never any good at estimating gradient).
Van:Stephen
Benton
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Datum:1999/09/08 |
I think the locals refer to it as Challacombe Hill. In Woollacombe. Starts
off, fairly steady, 300 yards from the beach.
Van:Paul Prince
Onderwerp:Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/08 |
Porlock Hill is pretty brutal aswell. Signposted off the M5 aswell
Van:Ken
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Applecross is a favourite with lots of people touring up the west coast. I
always nipped over the short cut to Sheildaig and dodged it until finally
riding it a few years ago. It is a tough climb, but I don't think it is the
worst (I did not realise that it was supposed to be the longest in the UK as
mentioned in the earlier post). Just north of Lochinver is the mad wee road
of Ross - no long climbs, but if you look on the map, you will see it has
around 15 single or double arrow climbs in a 20 mile stretch. I think some
of the Lakeland passes are pretty nasty, according to friends that have
ridden them - Hard Knot or Wrynose.
Ken
Van:Simon Ward
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/09 |
Ken <ken{remove.this.anti.spam.to.reply}russell@usa.net> wrote:
: I think some of the Lakeland passes are pretty nasty, according to friends
: that have ridden them - Hard Knot or Wrynose.
Understatement of the decade ... I remember doing Hardknott and then Wrynose
passes in succession and discovering the true meaning of the word `pain' ...
other favourite(!) brutal climbs of my acquaintance include:
- Rosedale Chimney[1] (mentioned passim) - one of the few hills I've had to walk
*down* - gravel on the hairpins precluded safe cycling.
- White Horse Bank (also in the Moors). Not as steep as the Chimney (`only'
1:4) but goes on for a bit. I suspect I'll be getting acquainted with it
again next weekend ;-) The loop around Bransdale from Helmsley to
Kirkbymoorside is a bit of a sod in places (esp. the climb out of Cockayne)
- Bwlch-y-Groes in Mid-Wales. Did it once in singularly foul weather whilst
cycling to a wedding in Llangollen - for full effect ride it from the Dinas
Mawwdwy side. Wales has an elegant sufficiency of really horrific climbs,
and I got to know a good few of them when I lived in Aberystwyth.
Several wee hills in the West Country have already been mentioned, inc.
Porlock. Nobody has mentioned the climb up to Hartside Summit yet - not really
that steep, but it goes seems to go on forever (5 or 6 mile climb, IIRC)
Simon
[1] - Nowhere near Hull, but about 30 miles from York.
--
Van:William
Boyes
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
In article <7r7umg$boo$2@pump1.york.ac.uk>, Simon Ward <simon@blinkyfish
.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Nobody has mentioned the climb up to Hartside Summit yet - not really
>that steep, but it goes seems to go on forever (5 or 6 mile climb, IIRC)
Nobody has mentioned Holme Moss yet either. It's one of the only places
I know in England where it can still be covered in snow weeks after it
has melted everywhere else. Being a cyclist and living in Holmfirth you
can't not climb it on a regular basis! I've even raced up it, well
time-trialled, but I suppose that still counts(!)
God knows how but my brother talked me into climbing it in January this
year! The descent into Woodhead was just a bit hairier than usual, what
with black ice and slush on the road.
As everyone who's done it will know, the steepest part is the first
section up to Holme village. The difficulty of the rest of it is
usually dependent on wind direction once you get onto the exposed
sections.
I still miss riding up there with thousands of people lining the route
to watch various international road races (Kellogg's, Milk Race, Leeds
Classic etc. The Prutour went up it last year, but from the wrong - eg
much easier side)
--
William Boyes
Van:Chris
Wilkinson
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
I agree, but take in the Snake and a return via Ladybower and the Strines
for a real tough ride. Ewden Heights in the Strines is the toughest clinb
I know of. First time I couldn't even walk up the inside of the lower
hairpin, I had to struggle round the outside!!!
Chris
PS there is an almost parallel off road route that is pretty hard too...
Van:William
Boyes
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
I knew there was one I had forgotten!
First time I went up that one I snapped my chain. I agree, it is
exceptionally tough, especially as it usually involves at least 30 miles
in the hills previously to get there. (I remember one particular ride
where we got lost in the fog off-road above Ladybower and took a wrong
turn. Ended up in the saddle for 7 hours and once we got back to the
road the quickest way home was back over the Strines!).
I was going to do a TdF style route over the Pennines this summer,
starting in Huddersfield and crossing the hills at Todmorden into
Littleborough, back over Buckstones, down into Marsden and over
Standedge then onto Greenfield, over Saddleworth into Holmfirth, then
over the Moss and back via Woodhead Pass. No particular brutes except
Holme Moss, but I think adding the Strines loop on top of that would be
too tough even for the pros (140 as opposed to 90 miles)!
(Needless to say I haven't done it, yet!).
--
William Boyes
From: Trevor
Smith
Subject: Brutal Hill Climbs and High Roads
Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/12 |
I seem to recall the steepest stretch of road I ever rode was Park Rash,
a 1 in 3 gradient going NE from Kettlewell to Leyburn in the Yorkshire
Dales.
Going NW from Kettlewell one can turn left in Buckden and go over Fleet
Moss to Hawes. This road goes to 1900 ft. and to the best of my
knowledge is the highest public paved road in England.
Also notable is Tan Hill about 10 miles N of Hawes via Keld in
Swaledale. This is far better 'coz there's a pub at the top. The Tan
Hill Inn at approx 1800 ft. is England's highest pub.
North of the border about 20 miles NW from Dumfries you can turn right
from the A76 onto the B797 which runs from Mennock to Wanlockhead. This
road goes over 2000 ft. and I believe is the UK's highest public paved
road.
5 years ago I crossed the Beartooth Pass from Montana to Wyoming. At
over 10,000 ft. this road is snowed in for 9 months of the year. The
snowbanks at the side of the road were about 15 ft. high in July. Not as
steep as Park Rash though.
Higher than that, even though I haven't been there, yet, are some of the
mountain passes in Colorado where road altitude is in excess of 12,000
ft.
From:
simon@blinkyfish.freeserve.co.uk
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/14 |
Trevor Smith <smitht@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote:
: I seem to recall the steepest stretch of road I ever rode was Park Rash,
: a 1 in 3 gradient going NE from Kettlewell to Leyburn in the Yorkshire
: Dales.
Know it well. Ridden it several times, failed to assault it on a fixed
gear (but at least I can say I tried :-) )
: Going NW from Kettlewell one can turn left in Buckden and go over Fleet
: Moss to Hawes. This road goes to 1900 ft. and to the best of my
: knowledge is the highest public paved road in England.
That's the easy way up :-) Try coming over from Hawes. Much harder. Also,
ISTR that the summit of Hardknott Pass is higher than Fleet Moss (1934ft, I
think)
: Also notable is Tan Hill about 10 miles N of Hawes via Keld in
: Swaledale. This is far better 'coz there's a pub at the top. The Tan
: Hill Inn at approx 1800 ft. is England's highest pub.
^^^^
1726ft.
Again, approaching from Keld is the easy way - if you get to Tan Hill from
Reeth there's the 12 mile climb of Arkengarthdale to contend with.
Simon (in `anorak mode')
Van:Chris
Wilkinson
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/14 |
Hi,
Can't remember what route I was talking about, if it was the Holme-moss,
snake, Strines route...
there is a route that starts in Holmfirth. It goes sort of South (can't
remember the details). It goes through some housing and comes out at the
little crag (bouldering only). It then goes further South on large tracks
to a little village (Scholes I think). Then on road for a bit looping back
to Holmfirth before going off down to the reservoirs there. This goes back
up and joins Holm-moss at the first hairpin above Holme village. Then I'm
afraid it's on the road up and over the moss. Take the Longendale trail at
the bottom and work your way round to Glossop. Take Doctor's gate to the
top of the Snake and down a bit more road. Do the small off road loop
towards Win hill but don't go up. Then cross the Snake again and go over
either Hagg farm or Rowlee farm to Ladybower. From the top of the valley
do Cut Gate to take you to the top of the Woodhead pass (the Flouch
roundabout) and find an off road route back to Holmfirth.
So, basically the Glossop circle but with added interest.
Chris
I'll look on the map if you want further info.
Van:Dr AJ Clune
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Datum:1999/09/14 |
Hm, I'm going to get that pleasure that weekend (25 mile TT 'Circuit
of Holme Moss'). Oh, and I've got Jim Henderson (National Hill Climb
Champion off one minute after me. Bets are currently being taken on
how long it will take him to catch me.....about 5 mins being my
current best estimate!
How steep is Holme Moss anyway?
Arthur
Van:Chris
Wilkinson
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Datum:1999/09/14 |
steepest bits are about 1in6 I think. But it's not the extreme gradient,
it's the length and the fairly steep gradient that hurts, oh and the wind
if it's blowing the wrong way.
Chris W
Van:Paul Prince
Onderwerp:Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
I watched the PruTour this year go over the Tumble near Abergavenny.
That kicks up pretty steep and is pretty long aswell. There are loads in
Cornwall/Devon. No names, just find a coastal town and you can guarantee
a severe climb out of it inland!
Van:Dan Cole
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
The road out of Sennen (near Lands End) is one such Cornish beast! Not
very long but very steep pretty much all the way (I had to unload my
crap old Fiesta of friends a few years back and take them up in 2 goes
as I couldn't drive up it otherwise :)
Dan
Van:Dan
Holdsworth
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Datum:1999/09/10 |
Well, there's that deadly one next to Aberystwyth Science Park; only once
did I manage to drive my car up it in second gear...
Penglais hill isn't nice. I used to live in Glanwern, near Borth, and would
go to the pub in Aber some nights. The back road via Clarach is nasty and
steep [1] and therefore I went via Bow Street to the pub.
The way back was a dilemma: the short and nasty route up Penglais hill and over
or the longer one out by Capel Dewi...
Great days, and not too painful either, especially given that I wasn't using
ultra-low mountainbike gears, either...
[1] I once fell off on the climb out of Clarach, and ended up tumbling down
one flight of those steps that shortcut the hairpin in that road. That
taught me not to over-tighten SPuD pedals.
--
Dan Holdsworth PhD
Van:David M
Willetts
Onderwerp:Re: Most Brutal Hill Climbs
Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/08 |
On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:56:57 +0100, Paul Stratford wrote:
>Has anyone ridden Applecross (Scotland, longest climb in UK)?
>I keep hearing about it but no-one says that they've ridden it.
Yes, about 3 years ago. There is a great round trip you can do around
the peninsular which is all on tarmac with almost no traffic. Even in
the middle of summer we probably saw about 30 cars over the whole 50
or so miles. Nice rugged but varied scenery. We all had mountain
bikes and did the route in a clockwise direction.
The climb is only evil in the sense that it is long. One of my mates
had dodgy gears with the lowest working one too high to be useful but
we still got up it with one person pedalling for two bikes. Given our
fitness it can't be very steep. That said, I wouldn't fancy doing it
on my road bike.
Now the downhill on the other side was definitely worth it. No
pedalling and 30+ mph for about 10 minutes and a total drop of about
2300ft according to my map. And we finished and had dinner at the pub
in Applecross which hopefully still does great food. Could be
/REALLY/ fun with a strong tailwind!
My recollection is that going towards Applecross the hill is steeper
and twistier on the way up and gentler on the way down, so I would
recommend going over it towards Applecross like we did more than doing
it in the other direction.
It (being Applecross pass in Western Scotland) goes through the saddle
pass between two hills marked as 2328ft and 2539ft on my (modern)
1:250,000 map. I think the road is not much short of the lower of
these two. So inexactly it is a little lower than 2328*12*2.54/100 =
709m altitude.
--
Dave tm
Van:Peter James
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Datum:1999/09/09 |
The following is posted without benefit of a map, so excuse any errors:
About 10 miles south of Hartside there's a climb from Dufton (?) village
to a radar station at 2780 ft (?) above sea level. Well over 2000 ft of
climbing from the valley, paved all the way. But it's a dead end, although
you can follow a track from near the top towards Alston. Is there anyone
out there from Northumbria DA that remembers riding this in about 1970?
--
Peter James
Ottawa, Ontario
Van:Richard
Webb
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Datum:1999/09/11 |
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:23:13 GMT, jcwyatt@cwcom.not (Jason Wyatt)
wrote:
>I've often wondered what the highest paved road in UK is.
Bealach Na Ba , Applecross 635m (from Sea Level)
Highest road pass Cairnwell (Braemar/Blairgowerie A93) 665m
Highest paved road, Scotland Green Lowther 730m (private open to
bikes,) , Lanarkshire.
Highest paved road, England Great Dun Fell 784m (private open to
bikes,) North Pennines
More big passes:
Black Hill 609 Unc Nenthead Allendale 86/87 NY8040
Swinhope Moor 568 Unc Nenthead Allendale 86/87 NY8040
Kilhope Cross 627 A689 Nenthead Weardale 86/87 NY7040
Flinty Fell 591 Unc Nenthead Garrigill 86/87 NY7040
Hartside 580c A686 Alston Penrith 86 NY6040
Hartside A686/unc.Renwick Alston 86 NY6040
Rookhope Head 536 Unc. Allenheads Rookhope 87 NY8040
Scarsike Head 539 Unc Westgate Rookhope 87 NY9040
Newhouse Moor 524 Unc. Ireshopeburn Middlhope 87 NY8040
Cuthberts Hill 508 Unc. Blanchland Rookhope 87 NY9040
Bollihope Common 511 B6278 Bollihope Stanhope 92 NY9030
Bollihope Common B6278/Unc.Middleton Stanhope 92 NY9030
Swinhope Head 607 Unc Newbiggin Westgate 91/92 NY8030
Harthope Moor 627 Unc. Langdon Beck Weardale 92 NY8030
Cow Green 500c Unc. Langdon Beck Cow Green Res. 91/92NY8030
Tan Hill 536 Unc. Kirkby Steven Langthwaite 91/92NY8000
Tan Hill Unc. Keld Langthwaite 91/92 NY8000
Tan Hill 520c Unc. Keld Kirkby Steven 91/92 NY8000
Lamps Moss 518 B6270 Keld Kirkby Steven 91/92 NY8000
Stang 511 Unc Langthwaite Barnard Castle 92 NZ0000
Tynehead Fell 598 B6277 Alston Middleton 91 NY7030
The Fleak 544 Unc Askrigg Reeth 98 SD9090
Buttertubs 526 Unc Thwaite Hawes 98 SD8090
Fleet Moss 589 Unc Buckden Hawes 98 SD8090
Garsdale Common 537 Unc. Cowgill Garsdale Station 98 SD8090
Hunter's Stone 504 Unc. Kettlewell Coverdale 98 SD9070
Holme Moss 524 A6024 Holmfirth Woodhead 110 SE0000
Snake Pass 512 A57 Glossop Ladybower 110 SK0090
Cat and Fiddle 515 A537 Buxton Macclesfield 119 SK0070
Cat and Fiddle A537/unc Goyt Macclesfield 119 SK0070
Cat and Fiddle A537/unc Wildboarclough Buxton 118 SK0060
Axe Edge 500c A537 Buxton Leek 119 SK0060
Axe Edge 530c Unc Buxton Cat and Fiddle 119 SK0070
Axe Edge Unc Goyt Buxton 119 SK0070
Priorsdale 547 Unc Ashgill Priorsdale NY7040
Bwlch y Groes 546 Unc. Dinas Mawddwy Llanuwchllyn 124/125 SH9020
Bwlch y Groes --- Unc. Vyrnwy Llanuwchllyn 124/126 SH9021
Gospel Pass 542 Unc. Hay Llanthony 161 SO2030
Bwlch Pen y Feidiog 531 Unc. Trawsfynnydd Llanuwchllyn 124 SH7030
Bwlch y Cloddiau 530c Unc. Llangurig Afon Diliw 136/136 SN8070
Werfa 520c A4107/A4061 Ogmore Vale Abergwynfi 170 SS9090
Werfa ---- A4107/A4062 Treorchy Abergwynfi 170 SS9090
Mynydd Llangynidr 516 B4560 Beaufort Llangynidr 161 SO1010
Mynydd Llangynidr ---- B4560/Unc. Beaufort Llangatock 161 SO1010
Mynydd Llangynidr ---- B4560/Unc. Beaufort Llangatock 161 SO1010
Blorenge 510c Unc. Llanfoist Blaenafon 161 SO2010
Bryn y Fedwyn 509 Unc. Machynlleth Staylittle136/135 SN8090
Hirwaun Common 500c A4061 Treorchy Hirwaun 170 SN9000
Hirnant 500c Unc. Bala Vyrnwy 125 SH9020
Enjoy!
Richard Webb
Van:Paul
Stratford
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Discussies:uk.rec.cycling
Datum:1999/09/09 |
Paul Stratford <paul@spameggsandspam-pi-design.com> wrote in message
news:gsqB3.1715$H5.212835@newsr2.u-net.net...
> Has anyone ridden Applecross (Scotland, longest climb in UK)?
> I keep hearing about it but no-one says that they've ridden it.
>
> Woolacombe Hill in Cornwall.... where is it (nearest village, town,
> landmark - don't say Woolacombe
I knew I wasn't going mad - I had to check... Woolacombe is in North Devon
near Ilfracombe and Barnstable.
To be precise -
51 deg 10.37 mins N
4 deg 12.46 mins W
or SS:4586 43891
The wonders of AutoRoute! (Though knowing MS they've ballsed up the grid
somehow)
Van:Phil
Passmore
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Datum:1999/09/11 |
The road that takes you from Barkston village, near Grantham up to
Barkston Heath airfield.
Its included in the Caythorpe Chase bike ride, (or at least it was last
year).
I get close to wheel spin even on a dry surface in the granny ring, and
some friends who live in Barkston exclaimed 'you cant ride up THAT'
(had to then, just to prove them wrong :-) )
--
Phil Passmore
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